Sam Bern commented, 09 July 2024 13:11

Thanks Henry, managed to limp through, but took until now to do the work I need. Was hoping that after month end was a good time to work on it. But maybe it's not.

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Thanks Henry, managed to limp through, but took until now to do the work I need. Was hoping that after month end was a good time to work on it. But maybe it's not.

Sam Bern commented, 02 July 2024 14:02

I agree and it is only a supplementary indicator. However it's one that I imagine we'll trigger in the next year or so, potentially from a mixture of learners who gatewayed on time but had their EPA process delayed and EPA processes which are actually just meant to last six months. There are always things that affect our success rates which are completely out of our hands.  I still think learners who have gatewayed should be removed from this statistic. If anything just so I don't go mad explaining to our operations team that overdue EPA from learners who gatewayed in a timely way will count against us. But also that them being overdue bares no relation to what was agreed on the training plan and with the EPAO. It also doesn't help that the number on the dashboard doesn't seem to link to the number reported on the learner data that sits behind it.

1. AAF Past Planned End Date including learners who are in EPA

I agree and it is only a supplementary indicator. However it's one that I imagine we'll trigger in the next year or so, potentially from a mixture of learners who gatewayed on time but had their EP...

Sam Bern commented, 02 July 2024 13:35

That's a real shame if true, besides the fact that the EPA process is normally scheduled to be longer then three months.  But also delays on the EPA side are often to do with the availability of Assessors with the EPAO. We're still waiting on the assessment dates for learners who went through Gateway in early April. If any of them have to resit any elements, this cohort of learners will easily end up past the six month date at the current rate.

1. AAF Past Planned End Date including learners who are in EPA

That's a real shame if true, besides the fact that the EPA process is normally scheduled to be longer then three months.  But also delays on the EPA side are often to do with the availability of As...

Sam Bern commented, 26 June 2024 15:14

Yes I can see that it will be counted differently once they achieve, but this will happen outside of the academic year that we're currently being reported on.  It just feels odd that they're sitting negatively against us when actually they are exactly where they are meant to be at this point. 

1. AAF Past Planned End Date including learners who are in EPA

Yes I can see that it will be counted differently once they achieve, but this will happen outside of the academic year that we're currently being reported on.  It just feels odd that they're sittin...

Sam Bern commented, 26 June 2024 14:49

Change of employer is handled slightly different on the DAS. I don't think Employers need to reserve funding for a change of employer. If you type 'change of employer' into the chatbot on the DAS it will point you to this article, I don't think you can access it outside of being logged into the DAS.   We’ve made improvements to the way you record a change of employer in your apprenticeship service account.  If an apprentice continues their apprenticeship training with a new employer their details will carry over to the new employer’s account (including their personal details and the apprenticeship framework or standard they are on).  Please note: It is important that you check that the apprentices’ details are correct before this action is taken.  The apprentice details cannot be changed once the change of employer function has been used.  Before recording a change of employer: contact the previous employer and ask them to stop their record agree the new training dates and cost with the new employer ask the new employer to give you ‘provider permissions’ to allow you to move the apprentice to their apprenticeship service account. Changing the employer You can now change the employer by selecting the apprentice in the ‘manage your apprentices’ section of your account. You can change the records of apprentices that have either a ‘Live’ or ‘Stopped’ status. To start the process: go to the listed employer name and select ‘Change’  select the new employer  add their new training start date, end date and new agreed price  Once you have created a ‘change of employer’ request, the new employer needs to approve it. They can access this in the ‘ready to review’ section within ‘your cohort requests’. Employers that do not pay the apprenticeship levy, will not need to reserve funding when they approve a training providers request to ‘move’ an apprentice. If the training dates overlap If the new start date overlaps with the existing training from the previous employer, you can now send a stop request directly from your account to the previous employer, this applies to live and stopped records. We will notify the previous employer to complete the overlapping training dates process giving them 2 weeks to action the request. You no longer need to contact our support team to complete this process.

1. Change of employer in same month

Change of employer is handled slightly different on the DAS. I don't think Employers need to reserve funding for a change of employer. If you type 'change of employer' into the chatbot on the DAS i...

Sam Bern commented, 26 June 2024 13:24

Sorry think the link had included a space have updated the post now.   I was wondering if other people have noticed something similar with their data? Or if we were coding something incorrectly on our side?   I've flagged this is an issue with the customer support portal. However that was last week and we're now receiving emails saying their very busy and might not be able to respond for a while.

1. AAF Past Planned End Date including learners who are in EPA

Sorry think the link had included a space have updated the post now.   I was wondering if other people have noticed something similar with their data? Or if we were coding something incorrectly on ...

Sam Bern commented, 15 April 2024 15:49

The numerator is what's stated on the AAF dashboard. I'm waiting for it to be updated to this months data to compare against the current count, however I don't agree with it currently.   Yes I agree the break in learning aim wouldn't count as a numerator, however I think it would count as a denominator or cohort count for the programme aims that were live in the 23/24 academic year.    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apprenticeship-training-provider-accountability-framework/apprenticeship-training-provider-accountability-framework-and-specification--2   Is this what you're using for the technical funding guidance?

1. AAF calculating cohort for Supplementary indicators

The numerator is what's stated on the AAF dashboard. I'm waiting for it to be updated to this months data to compare against the current count, however I don't agree with it currently.   Yes I agre...

Sam Bern commented, 15 April 2024 14:27

Thanks for that. Unfortunately that denominator still doesn't result in the past planned end date rate on the AAF dashboard. The Programme aims are too high and the total number of apprentices is too low. I feel like goldilocks!  But what you've said does agree with our current process. In the example I've given above would you agree that the cohort denominator should be 2?

1. AAF calculating cohort for Supplementary indicators

Thanks for that. Unfortunately that denominator still doesn't result in the past planned end date rate on the AAF dashboard. The Programme aims are too high and the total number of apprentices is t...

Sam Bern commented, 15 April 2024 11:16

We're in!

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We're in!

Sam Bern commented, 15 April 2024 09:33

Still not able to login either. It's a real shame as we're updating out figures based on the new AAF but we're not able to review the current data on the site.  

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Still not able to login either. It's a real shame as we're updating out figures based on the new AAF but we're not able to review the current data on the site.