Paul Taylor
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Hi We are seeing the same thing in our data so the action is to raise with the service desk which you have done. I would also advise being on top of the data by having your own internal reports that mimic these measures so that you are in control of managing these risks internally and can explain your performance with the ESFA. Many MIS providers have these built into their systems now so speak to them in the first instance, but this can be derived from your data through some simple reporting. Although we do not have a technical document in the detail we need the updated specification linked below gives you most of what you need to do this: Apprenticeship training provider accountability framework and specification - GOV.UK Total number of apprentices = all zprogs that have been in learning in the current academic year excluding those that did not quality as a start. Past planned end date = all of the above where the zprogs are 90-180 days or 180 days+ passed their planned end date. This includes learners that have completed. Withdrawals = all Zprogs (excluding the 42 day leavers not qualifying) that have withdrawn in the current academic year. Breaks in learning = breaks in learning is a little bit more difficult to do as you need to exclude learners that have returned so will need to cross check against other lines of data which QAR data may do for you if you have that available in a reportable format. Other than that complication the process is the same in that you need to identify which zprogs have been on a break for 180-365 days and 356 days+ and measure them against your total apprentices number.
Hi We are seeing the same thing in our data so the action is to raise with the service desk which you have done. I would also advise being on top of the data by having your own internal reports th...
Paul Taylor commented,
I have received the reply below on this issue with the ESFA confirming that they will switch the error to a warning before the R05 deadline if it is not resolved before then. This is not really sufficient, so I will be feeding this back to them and would encourage others to do the same if you have business processes affected by this. We want to use the associated funding reports to know what out income position is every week, not only at month end, and we are currently missing a significant chunk of YTD income due to this error. Similarly, we need to know our position for devolved ASF contract monitoring and forecasting. Fortunately, R05 is not a performance management point for any of our devolved ASF contracts but again we want to know where we are at any given point and not just find out what our income is post month end. Again, if you are feeling the pinch of any of these issues then please communicate this back to the Agency. The LearnDelFAMType_124 is currently on the know issues log linked below as it is not triggering correctly. The rule is currently being investigated by our technical team. Submit_Learner_Data_Known_Issues_2024_to_2025_101224.xlsx Unfortunately, I cannot give a date for when this will be resolved but if it is not fixed before the R05 deadline it will be switched off so errors do not trigger and funding is unaffected.
I have received the reply below on this issue with the ESFA confirming that they will switch the error to a warning before the R05 deadline if it is not resolved before then. This is not really suf...
Paul Taylor commented,
Yes you will receive the 20% payment once the learners complete (completion status and achievement date added). If there are differences in your values than the obvious thing to cross check are the prices. Do these differ? Do have learners that have returned from a break in learning? The completion payment will be 20% of total price or the residual price for any restarts.
Yes you will receive the 20% payment once the learners complete (completion status and achievement date added). If there are differences in your values than the obvious thing to cross check are the...
Paul Taylor commented,
The other point to note is that these are indicators and failing a test does not necessarily mean action action will be triggered. Regional ESFA teams will ask for explanations and justifications and there should be sensible dialogue between provider and the agency. If you have an example that temporarily makes your data look odd, then explain that in your meetings with your agency contacts.
The other point to note is that these are indicators and failing a test does not necessarily mean action action will be triggered. Regional ESFA teams will ask for explanations and justifications a...
Paul Taylor commented,
I think this is one of the elements that is not particularly intuitive but the Agency are only able to work with the measures available to them and it will allow them to benchmark and see outliers. Providers will have learners passed planned end, particularly as they approach the gateway period but there could be other reasons for this which the Agency are interested in. The learning actual end date is measured against the planned end date and as both of these relate only to the learning period then they should be broadly in line with each other. I think what they are really testing for are two things; - do you have large numbers where the LOS is shortened and you are therefore condensing programmes for funding purposes. - do you have a significant number where learners are taking too long to achieve because progress / training delivery is slow. If you have a large number in this group then you need to check your planned lengths of stay against actual length of stay for completers and look at whether or not you need to amend these for future cohorts, dependent upon the reason why learners are going significantly passed planned end date.
I think this is one of the elements that is not particularly intuitive but the Agency are only able to work with the measures available to them and it will allow them to benchmark and see outliers....
Paul Taylor commented,
These are all continuing learners that have a future yet to be determined hybrid end year because we don't know what the end/achievement date is yet.
These are all continuing learners that have a future yet to be determined hybrid end year because we don't know what the end/achievement date is yet.
Paul Taylor commented,
The reporting year is added in to the calculation to close a loop hole for learners that were continuing, or on a break in learning, at the end of one year but do not return in the following year. Previously, these learners fell out of the calculation and it was possible to manipulate the achievement rates through this mechanism. These learners are added back in as a penalty in a subsequent year, with that year dependent upon the combination of their planned, actual, and last reported years. Qualification achievement rates: apprenticeships specification 2023 to 2024 (publishing.service.gov.uk)
The reporting year is added in to the calculation to close a loop hole for learners that were continuing, or on a break in learning, at the end of one year but do not return in the following year. ...
Paul Taylor commented,
No those learners would be counted in 24/25. The hybrid end date is latter of planned, actual end, and achievement date and that includes learners that have withdrawn early. Qualification achievement rates: apprenticeships specification 2023 to 2024 (publishing.service.gov.uk) Qualification achievement rates: Business Rules 2023 to 2024 (publishing.service.gov.uk)
No those learners would be counted in 24/25. The hybrid end date is latter of planned, actual end, and achievement date and that includes learners that have withdrawn early. Qualification achieveme...
Paul Taylor commented,
Yes, if they sit EPA in August then they will roll into the 24/25 year, but until then will show in 23/24 in any software you may be using. The hybrid end date is latter of planned, actual end, and achievement date. Apprenticeship qualification achievement rates technical specification 2022 to 2023 (publishing.service.gov.uk)
Yes, if they sit EPA in August then they will roll into the 24/25 year, but until then will show in 23/24 in any software you may be using. The hybrid end date is latter of planned, actual end, and...