Paul Taylor

Systems and MI Manager at The Growth Company

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Hi  We are seeing the same thing in our data so the action is to raise with the service desk which you have done. I would also advise being on top of the data by having your own internal reports that mimic these measures so that you are in control of managing these risks internally and can explain your performance with the ESFA. Many MIS providers have these built into their systems now so speak to them in the first instance, but this can be derived from your data through some simple reporting.  Although we do not have a technical document in the detail we need the updated specification linked below gives you most of what you need to do this: Apprenticeship training provider accountability framework and specification - GOV.UK Total number of apprentices = all zprogs that have been in learning in the current academic year excluding those that did not quality as a start. Past planned end date = all of the above where the zprogs are 90-180 days or 180 days+ passed their planned end date. This includes learners that have completed.  Withdrawals = all Zprogs (excluding the 42 day leavers not qualifying) that have withdrawn in the current academic year.  Breaks in learning = breaks in learning is a little bit more difficult to do as you need to exclude learners that have returned so will need to cross check against other lines of data which QAR data may do for you if you have that available in a reportable format. Other than that complication the process is the same in that you need to identify which zprogs have been on a break for 180-365 days and 356 days+ and measure them against your total apprentices number.

Hi  We are seeing the same thing in our data so the action is to raise with the service desk which you have done. I would also advise being on top of the data by having your own internal reports th...

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This is the response below that I have had back. The top line clearly states that they are not changing this from an error to a warning but this is what I am asking for clarification on. The rationale needs challenging; 'it is triggering correctly in some circumstances' could mean that it working correctly 5% of the time and and not 95% of the time which in such a scenario should require further work by the technical team. The broader issue here is around the approach to dealing with this, the timing, and proactively supporting the sector to deal with the issue. As per my previous posts many providers will submit, or have already submitted, not understanding the workarounds that can be applied to resolve this and I suspect that a significant amount of income will be missing nationally because of this, which then requires another set of conversations, effort, and work to explain to associated parties.     The error will not be changed to a warning as it is triggering correctly in some circumstances for providers. The LDM code is a requirement to be fully funded as per the Adult skills fund: funding and performance management rules 2024 to 2025 (updated 18 July 2024). Guidance as follows: - Unemployed We will update the Universal Credit (UC) thresholds to align to any revisions made by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP). For funding purposes, we define a learner as unemployed if one or more of the following apply. They: receive Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA), including those receiving National Insurance credits only receive Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) receive UC, and their take-home pay as recorded on their UC statement (disregarding UC payments and other benefits) is less than £892 a month (learner is sole adult in their benefit claim) or £1,437 a month (learner has a joint benefit claim with their partner) are released on temporary licence, studying outside a prison environment, and not funded by the Ministry of Justice Providers may also use their discretion to fully fund other learners if either of the following apply. The learner: receives other state benefits (not included in the list above) and their take-home pay (disregarding UC payments and other benefits) is less than £892 a month (learner is sole adult in their benefit claim) or £1,437 a month (learner has a joint benefit claim with their partner) not receiving any benefits, wants to be employed and you are satisfied that the identified learning is directly relevant to their employment prospects and local labour market needs. In order to claim full funding for learners who are unemployed and not receiving benefits, you must indicate that they earn below the earnings threshold by using LDM code 391 and FFI code 1 If the learner is unemployed and is claiming benefits, you must complete the Benefit Status Indicator (BSI) to identify the learner is in receipt of JSA (BSI 1) UC (BSI 4), or ESA (all categories) (BSI 5). Earnings threshold We have introduced the earnings threshold as part of a new eligibility criteria that enables learners to be fully funded if they earn below £25,000. The policy entitlement includes learners who are employed or self-employed. You may fully fund learners who are employed, or self-employed, up to and including level 2 and the level 3 offers, if they earn below £25,000 annual gross salary. You must have seen evidence of the learner’s gross annual wages in these circumstances. This could be a wage slip or a UC statement within 3 months of the learner’s learning start date, or a current employment contract which states gross monthly/annual wages. Please note this is not an exhaustive list, but you must evidence your decision to award full funding to an individual who would normally be eligible for co-funding. To claim full funding for learners who earn below the earnings threshold, you must use LDM code 391 and FFI code 1. Adult skills fund: funding and performance management rules 2024 to 2025 - GOV.UK www.gov.uk.

This is the response below that I have had back. The top line clearly states that they are not changing this from an error to a warning but this is what I am asking for clarification on. The ration...

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Paul Taylor commented,

I have received the reply below on this issue with the ESFA confirming that they will switch the error to a warning before the R05 deadline if it is not resolved before then. This is not really sufficient, so I will be feeding this back to them and would encourage others to do the same if you have business processes affected by this. We want to use the associated funding reports to know what out income position is every week, not only at month end, and we are currently missing a significant chunk of YTD income due to this error. Similarly, we need to know our position for devolved ASF contract monitoring and forecasting. Fortunately, R05 is not a performance management point for any of our devolved ASF contracts but again we want to know where we are at any given point and not just find out what our income is post month end. Again, if you are feeling the pinch of any of these issues then please communicate this back to the Agency.    The LearnDelFAMType_124 is currently on the know issues log linked below as it is not triggering correctly. The rule is currently being investigated by our technical team. Submit_Learner_Data_Known_Issues_2024_to_2025_101224.xlsx Unfortunately, I cannot give a date for when this will be resolved but if it is not fixed before the R05 deadline it will be switched off so errors do not trigger and funding is unaffected.

I have received the reply below on this issue with the ESFA confirming that they will switch the error to a warning before the R05 deadline if it is not resolved before then. This is not really suf...

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These are all continuing learners that have a future yet to be determined hybrid end year because we don't know what the end/achievement date is yet. 

These are all continuing learners that have a future yet to be determined hybrid end year because we don't know what the end/achievement date is yet. 

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