becky.obrien
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becky.obrien commented,
Steve Hewitt I understand your points and even agree with them a little regarding the deadline and enforcement. However, a deadline was given, and we are 8-9 months beyond that in another funding year. Why worry? Because It may get pulled out at audit.
Steve Hewitt I understand your points and even agree with them a little regarding the deadline and enforcement. However, a deadline was given, and we are 8-9 months beyond that in another funding y...
becky.obrien commented,
Did they do qualifications in this country? If so, I'd say that proves they've been resident.
Did they do qualifications in this country? If so, I'd say that proves they've been resident.
becky.obrien commented,
So DAS isn't showing as complete? If you've received the payment but it isn't showing as complete, then that is very odd, as you can see from the article I sent the link to. Contact the DAS helpdesk if this is the case. If they are complete on DAS and the planned end is in the future, I think it may be possible for the new apprenticeship to be added. Either way I'd ask the DAS helpdesk. I find they usually are helpful, unlike certain other helpdesks...
So DAS isn't showing as complete? If you've received the payment but it isn't showing as complete, then that is very odd, as you can see from the article I sent the link to. Contact the DAS helpdes...
becky.obrien commented,
If you have received the achievement payment, then DAS should already show as complete for those apprentices. https://help.apprenticeships.education.gov.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360013677039-Apprenticeship-record-status-and-completion-payment-month If the planned end date on DAS for the completed apprenticeship is in the past, it should be possible for the employer to add the new one without there needing to be any changes made to the completed apprenticeship.
If you have received the achievement payment, then DAS should already show as complete for those apprentices. https://help.apprenticeships.education.gov.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360013677039-Apprentic...
becky.obrien commented,
A community learning aim has been used. Community learning aims are not valid for any funding stream in 25-26, and I don't think should have been used on an apprenticeship at all, although I can see that this clearly used to validate. I think this one should have been used, if I've got the right apprenticeship: https://submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/find-a-learning-aim/StandardLearningAims/262 To change the aims over, follow this guidance, except that you will not be able to include the Community learning aim in this year's ILR at all, as it is completely invalid. https://guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/provider-support-manual/article/makingchanges-and-correcting-errors-psm#article-Continuing%20learners%20who%20have%20an%20incorrect%20learning%20aim%20reference,%20or%20funding%20model
A community learning aim has been used. Community learning aims are not valid for any funding stream in 25-26, and I don't think should have been used on an apprenticeship at all, although I can se...
becky.obrien commented,
That's a digit too short, and all of the aim I can find that are similar are Community learning aims. Can you provide the full aim ref, and possibly the name of the qualification?
That's a digit too short, and all of the aim I can find that are similar are Community learning aims. Can you provide the full aim ref, and possibly the name of the qualification?
becky.obrien commented,
Can you supply the aim reference that is causing this issue?
Can you supply the aim reference that is causing this issue?
becky.obrien commented,
You are welcome. Bootcamps aren't the most straightforward thing to record and while I've made leaps and bounds in understanding in the last week, I'm still expecting to have got things wrong somewhere. I know others are struggling too. My apprenticeship experience has both been a help from a date/other funding fields being in alignment point of view and a hinderance. I was so used to recording programmes as 1, 8 WITH an actual end date, that I didn't notice the guidance specified NOT returning an actual end date.
You are welcome. Bootcamps aren't the most straightforward thing to record and while I've made leaps and bounds in understanding in the last week, I'm still expecting to have got things wrong somew...
becky.obrien commented,
There's a help article here about that: https://help.apprenticeships.education.gov.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360011550760-How-to-reserve-funding Just in case you don't know, there's a whole bunch of articles aimed at employers (but often more helpful to us) here: https://help.apprenticeships.education.gov.uk/hc/en-gb/sections/360001841359-Employer And ones aimed at providers here: https://help.apprenticeships.education.gov.uk/hc/en-gb/sections/360002328100-Training-provider I will warn that you do often have to read a few and combine them together to get a full picture of what to do, as they are VERY specific to small parts of the process, and we usually need to know the next few steps, not just the next step.
There's a help article here about that: https://help.apprenticeships.education.gov.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/360011550760-How-to-reserve-funding Just in case you don't know, there's a whole bunch of art...
becky.obrien commented,
Yes, programme aim 1, 8 without the actual end date if they've not had a event, until they reach the 6 month point. Then 2, 3 if still no event. Yes, that does mean adding an actual end date in a previous year if the 6 months crosses into a new funding year. This will happen for anyone who does not have an event whose latest learning actual end date is in Feb-July. I wouldn't characterise entering an actual end date that is in a previous year as "not allowed". It's certainly not what we SHOULD be doing for other funding streams, unless there has been a mistake or omission. With other funding streams the actual end date would affect the funding we should have received in a previous year, so that's why we need to ensure things are closed by R14. My understanding (which is likely not complete yet) is that putting in an actual end date on the Skills Bootcamp programme aim for a previous year won't affect the funding in that previous year at all, so entering it (as per the instructions) will not be an issue.
Yes, programme aim 1, 8 without the actual end date if they've not had a event, until they reach the 6 month point. Then 2, 3 if still no event. Yes, that does mean adding an actual end date in a p...